Traditional Rose head copper cut nails are used with matching copper roves to form a copper rivet. These nails are extremely robust, easy to drive and when the wood fibers become damp and swell, will never work loose.
Copper Roves are slightly conical washers. A copper nail is hammered through the joint, a rove is pushed over the end (concave side inward) and the nail is peened over forming a copper rivet. Also similar to clinch or clench nailing. Copper rivets are often utilized in classic planked wooden boat construction.
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Traditional copper cut nails used with matching copper roves. These nails are extremely robust, easy to drive and when the wood fibers become damp and swell, will never work loose.
Riveting is a matter of through nailing two pieces of wood, slipping a washer over the pointed end of the nail, pushing it down the shank against the wood and then nipping off the excess nail leaving just enough excess to peen over the washer to lock it tight.
All copper riveted connections are made using two parts: nails; called the "rivet" and washers; called "burrs" or "roves". The rivets are generally just copper common nails; however, European boat-builders generally prefer the conical head and square shank of the Rosehead Boat Nail. Either way, the nail goes into the slightly undersized pre-drilled holes and through the pieces of wood to be joined. A burr with a slightly undersized center hole; to provide an interference fit, is then placed over the nail point to be driven down the nail shank. At this point you will need a Rove Set tool. We offer one here but you can make your own with a piece of rounded hardwood or a 1" hardwood dowel about 6" long. Drill a hole in one end, on center into the end grain deep enough to accommodate the exposed length of nail and size it slightly larger in diameter than the nail shank, and now you have a Rove set.
A heavy back-up tool is required to "buck-up" the head of the nail prior to setting the burr and forming the completed connection. We offer a heavy (4) pound hammer with a short handle suitable for this application.
Now, to make the copper rivets connection, first tap the nail through the pre-drilled pieces of wood to be joined and back-up the head with the "buck" hammer. Next, place the burr over the nail and drive it down the exposed nail shank using the rove set tool applying light taps from a hammer. The burr should seat firmly against the wood. Using a set of diagonal cutters nip off the excess nail leaving about a nail diameter in length beyond the burr to peen over. Holding the "buck" hammer hard against the nail head, take a lightweight ball-peen hammer (STN-54016) and start tapping with the flat end to mushroom over the cut nail stub. Finally using the rounded end of the ball-peen hammer tap the mushroomed stub around the edges forming the end to lock down the burr and draw up the connection.
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What nail would you recommend I use to attach 24x24" solid copper decorative ceiling tiles to 3/8" plywood over sheet rock. It is a 4' x 8' area (8 tiles). Each weighs 3 lbs. Thank you?
Silicon Bronze Threaded Annular Ring Nails. They won't back out. If you use the copper common nails, they may back out.
Rose head nail is fine
Would this nail be appropriate for a 7/8" hardwood a face nailed floor installation - without the rove?
I don't think so.
Probably not..It would be too soft
I'm sorry but I am not knowledgeable about that. I use these nails for decorative and crafty projects not related to boating.
what size nail is approx, .180 dia.?
We don't have a Rose Head Copper nail that thin. The closest is a Copper Common #16D .165 shank.
Do you have a copper head rosebud nail 1 inch long?
These worked great for fastening copper sheet to wood.
Yes Jamestown has a 1" Rose Head Copper Nail.
Yes I used them in a 17 ft. Chris craft replica I built ,they are great and if they are used where they are exposed they look good
Could these nails be used to attach a stamped copper backsplash to a backing board of 1/8" plywood?
Yes. I use them for a very similar purpose and they matched very nicely. I use them to attach copper accent pieces to the apex and pinnacle of my front and back porch. They are very nice and very decorative for just this type of activity. The head of them will look particularly well if you're using an indoor where you can see the detail.
BTW, I only use the nail, not the "rivet"
Thank you. I think I'll do something like that, use adhesive in much the way a mirror is glued to a bathroom wall. I'm thinking nails along the perimeter and seams more as insurance against the sheet loosening at those places but relying upon the adhesive to carry most of the load. Copper nails would add a decorative touch as well.
I wouldn't know why not, although they obviously would extend out the back which wouldn't be an issue if it is drywall, wood, or anything the nail can penetrate. Also, 1/8" plywood isn't going to give you much holding power, so you would probably want to glue the copper on and just use the nails for cosmetic purposes.
Thank you. I may use them in conjunction with construction adhesive.
I think they could but you may want to pre-drill the hole?Tom Gallenberg
No, unless you make a wood accommodation behind the 1/8" plywood to receive the shaft of the nail.(As in more plywood)If you have green board or regular dry wall backing the 1/8" plywood you have a very, vey high risk of the nail shaft unbedding over not so long a period of time and they will start coming loose and all the way out. If you have cement or backer board you probably could go the extra step of pre-drilling all you nail holes with a slightly smaller pilot hole then nailing your copper up. The ring shanks in this situation would have a pretty good chance of holding. I personally would try that approach but add a little adhesive of almost any sort to furnish additional grip. Good luck. They not cheep but look great.
Thank you. Since they're soft I think that's a good idea.
I use these nails to attach copper strips to the edge of my plywood board when i frame my mosaic mirrors. I pre drill the holes in the copper strip, lay a bead of heavy duty liquid nails on the edge of the plywood, press the strip onto the glued edge, the predrill holes in the plywood where the holes in the cooper are. Then I hammer in the the copper nails. I would suggest glue on the back of the back of the copper, maybe just a few thumb nail sized dollops in a few places. I would use the same heavy duty liquid nails. These nails are quite decorative and people love the look of them. Good luck!
I use these nails to attach copper strips to plywood to frame my mosaic mirrors. I predrill the copper holes then lay a bead of liquid nails (the strong indoor/outdoor type) on the edge of the plywood, then I
Thanks, the manufacturer suggested a wood backing because nails wouldn't stay in drywall. I picked the thickness based on a sheet I saw at Lowes. I figure construction adhesive is all I need. It's held my mirrors in the bathrooms tightly to the wall for 17 years and still put up quite a fight when I went to take them off the other day.
I don't see why not. You may have to predrill the copper if it's very thick.
What length of rose head cooper nails should I use for clinch nailing 1/2" lapstrake boards?
David, I used the Rose head nails for making a tool tote but didn't use for clinching. I would imagine that you should have enough to bend over on the other side- not too short not too long. My guess would be about 3/8" to 1/2".
David,use 1". Put rose head nail through and then put on the rover then cut off the nail so there is about 3/16" of nail to rivet.
i'm getting rove cooper NCRV 10/11 1/2 " would 3/4 nail rose head cooper is thin enough for for above rove cooper ? . Please let me know . Thanks
If you are planning on using the nails as rivets with the rove washers I don't think they have enough body.
Can rose head nails be used as clenched nails? Cheers Tom
They can be with the proper clenching irons. I would want them to be ringed as some are sold with a square shank
Tom,I do not think that the Rose Head Copper nails would be all that strong as clenched nails. The copper is soft and bends easily, That is why they make great rivets.
They most certainly can.
I have used rose head nails in clench nailed of non-structural items. They are very very soft.
Copper nails can certainly be used as "clinched" nails; there are plenty of ways to finish the clinch, and a lot of articles on the subject via a search on the web. Good luck!
What is the diameter of the shank of the 14g nail?
Thank you! Your help is greatly appreciated!!!
The shank on the 14g.rose head nail is square.the width if the shank is 5/64".You will have to drill a pilot hole to use these nails because they are very soft.Will take practice to use.They are very decorative however.I know this is a long winded answer to the question,
is a rove tool set the same as a rove punch?
My best answer is that a rove punch is punch designed to seat a certain size rove, while the tool set would be many punches designed to handles a wide range of available rove sizes.
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Solid copper nails
Good for decorative woodworking.
Needed to do some temp repair to a 1941 Thompson Cedar Strip rowboat. Worked great!
Lake Martin, Alabama
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Still in the work stage of a small project we have not noticed any rust from the roof using rose head copper nails, the former copper plate nails rusted with the first week of hard rain. Bought these in a web search for my aging husband. He is very pleased with them , though he thought they were pricey. We will be purchasing more for him soon. No complaints yet and we have had rain.
I used these nails on an interior project. I hammered copper sheet and installed it as a decorative kitchen element.
Great product-used in home wood craft.
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Used these to attach copper caps i designed for vertical timbers on benches on a waterfront landing. the result was very stunning in part because of these nails.
I would buy Rose Head Copper Nails again
I used them as adecorative nail on a sea chest.
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I'm using them as decorative nails in a Southwest home design. They are the accents to my copper plate designs on huge pine poles. I LOVE the way they drive and HOLD!!